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Started by ddeubel in Websites / links / access to new resources / communities.. Last reply by Nadeem Nawaz Jul 16, 2019. 102 Replies

We are now in our 3rd edition of "Site of the Day"! Hundreds of the best sites for teaching/learning. See #1 and…Continue

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Ning on July 20th will change their pricing policy.  This will mean our costs will increase dramatically.  

So far, I've been paying everything and I don't mind that! But I can see a time/date in the future where it will become increasingly expensive. Plus hard on my own time to maintain as the community gets larger. 

So I'm asking for your own thoughts about the community and I will share in this discussion info. about how much it presently costs and the time commitment involved. Also, what pressures/demands will be put on us in the future. 

All your thoughts and ideas are welcomed! Please let us know your feelings, either specifics about us or thoughts about costs and social networking/Web 2.0 in general. 

But rest assured, it is my promise that we will always be around and always be free and current!

Here is a very brief breakdown of the costs of our network at present and with the new Ning. 


19.99/month Premium fee.  Unlimited storage.  Store files/videos. 
7.99/ month. Remove Ning labels and use our own url 
160/year for EFL Classroom server on bluehost. (to store public documents, run videos and applications etc..)
24/year - chat box
10/year - Quizlet Pro flashcard account
One time fees:  Longtail video / Wimpey video players =  $150  
[ widget labs applications that went defunct with Ning changes - $600 ]

--- $140 in donations! Yes, previously 2 people did contribute the few times I had put up a "donate" button. 

After July 20th

49.99/month. Premium fee.  Plus extra bandwidth (still waiting on Ning to determine this but they will hit us with a charge. In total we have over 200 GB storage (the 49.99 fee only includes 20 GB free). Bandwidth should be within the free limits.

All other fees same as above..... 

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I need to understand the specifics, David... how will our ning be affected? What features do we have now that we won't have without paying extra $$ after July 5th?

"Just the facts, Mam" Lt Friday, Dragnet?

Even if/ when "we" pay for "additional" features, I think we will still lose videos that have been embedded from other nings that are now going defunct. I might be the only one who has done this type of embedding.. it was a handy way to post videos in a discussion without adding to the storage space on EFL... but it turned out to not be such a good idea.

Anyway, I think a breakdown of how much EFL Classroom costs now and what those same features will cost after July 20th is a necessary backdrop to this discussion. It's not clear from reading the pricing plans... for example, I have no idea how much storage we are using... and it looks like we have to pay for Ning Pro to even be eligible for extra storage... are we over 100GB? 200GB?

Can we live without uploading videos directly to EFL Classroom? If we are using over 100GB, is this besides the point because we have to upgrade to Pro simply to continue?

All these things can't be rationally thought about without knowing more about our current use : )

Yes, I'll be replying shortly! I didn't elaborate for two reasons.

1. Just no time today.....
2. Needed to get a link for this discussion to put in our newsletter which will come out tomorrow (I had no time because I was working on the newsletter...).

So stay tuned and I'll be elaborating both shortly and as the discussion goes. But for the moment, you can consider me pretty damn turned off by Ning but stuck basically because we are such a content rich site and to move all that content would be astronomically difficult. But I hope others contribute on different levels.... More soon.

I'm happy to make a financial contribution each month to keep things going and improving. Also, I have enough free time to help out with a few hours each week managing the community. That being said though, I've no idea what that would involve, so a little more info would be good, please.

Thanks for replying.

It actually is quite simple and we've had a number of administrators here over our time. Ellen has been the rock of the ages! She gets what our community is about and IS what our community is about!

What it entails is that I just give you admin access. You can then change all content, ban members, change design etc.... Mostly, I'd like to have some members responsible for certain things like: checking links/repairing, explaining how to use the network, greeting new members, eteaching specialist etc.....

Anyone helping out unless just greeting, would have to know a little about html etc....

About $$$$. I really don't mind paying but eventually it might be considerable. So I am really asking members what they think about the possibility of donating. I used to have a button but only one person ever donated (but he did regularly and bless his heart!). Once Ning changes over July 20th, I'll take a look at what options we might have to have members donate. But rest assured it would be transparent and documented and all excess would go into being used for the community....

Yeah, I'm unhappy. It is a lot more than just EFL Classroom 2.0 and I'm in the same boat as you. I have a couple of networks that I put A LOT of effort into. Two that aren't even related to education but I spent loads of time on, content loaded etc... and will just disappear!!!! even if I pay the mini fee, poof, lots will be gone.

I really at times want to take Ning to court, it is just ruthless to do this. But it isn't worth the neg. energy...I'm going to keep positive. I hope you do to and/but I do understand.. Let's just march on....

I read elsewhere about ning's changes, and first thought was: what about eflclassroom? Second thought was: how can they do this? It's reneging on a promise!

A couple other thoughts:
SMOE should be willing to kick in a few won on this, since I know many users of the site, like me, are with them.

Second, I know some HTML and would be willing to put in a little time to help out--as a longtime school webmaster back home, I know the time it takes to keep something like this up and running.

Like Ellen points out, some tough decisions may need to be made, but can't be made without knowing details of the usage.

With the ning service, isn't there a much more affordable pricing scheme if you allow ads on your network? I say you sell this place out and plaster them everywhere. It doesn't bother me.

About donations-
You could do the wikipedia thing and say look I need X and we have Y. Or, possibly you may try the small monthly fee. 1 month, 3 month, 1 year packages.

I'm just worried donations would dry up. Maybe not.

This is an obstacle and it is definitely worrisome to me and my class.
Good Luck!
Hi David!

I too would be more than happy to give a little something for all the work you do! Your promise to keep this free and around means more to me than you can imagine! This site has been an integral part of my classroom since I found it; speaking of which, will my blogs be affected by the change? Should I do some archiving so things won't disappear?

Thank you!

Tsornin and Collin,

rest assured that in no way does this conversation mean anyone should worry. Even if it were hundreds of dollars a month - I'd still pay and keep the community going strong. I only raise the discussion because there might be some point/benefit to have members contribute small amounts to cover the cost in the future.

So don't worry, all IS safe!

One of the reasons we have registration is to be able to keep the commercialism and such (spammers etc...) under control. But another reason is to create a kind of ownership, if you register, you do create some kind of connection, however small. But asking for small donations or fund raising might be another way in the future.

Collin, I know some wouldn't mind advertising but I really think education needs none of that. Our kids get enough of it and it is obtrusive. I might think of getting one sponsor, that would be something I'd consider though... I really hated all the sites in ELT/EFL which are just advertisment bulletin boards!

About Ning. It was free with advertising but that also came with major network limitations. The new models / options of Ning starting July 20th will have ads but you still pay. However, those plans are much too slim for our needs and we will have to use the Pro Plan. Pearson will also pay for a Ning mini network (but only in North America) - however this isn't an option for us.

One option and road I started down but then abandoned was a job site. Getting members to use the job site and using the income from the job site to pay for EFL Classroom. I still might rethink this and try this option. The site I built is still there but it would take our members using it and helping to promote, so it could develop and generate income to support us. It is a good model - schools and recruiters would indirectly be paying for resources and teacher professional development, as they should.
Hi Ellen, Hi David,
Ning is gambling here. They are counting on users like yourselves who have "put a LOT of effort" into their nings to come up with the dough.
You're between a rock and a hard place, and only the two of you can make the decision. Good luck. This is a great ning!
Hi Ellen and David, and all...

I'd be willing to contribute financially every month to help out (it won't be much but I hope it will help) -I'd be happy Ellen to help with moving your videos to Teacher tube, vimeo or whichever place you choose and embed them here (or uploading them here) so that they are not lost. And I volunteer to help with other things I may not be aware that are needed -just let me know what I can do.

Beatriz and others...

Thanks for all the positive response. Let's keep discussing and my goal is by Sept 1 st to have a working model in place ....

I was contacted by Mike Marzio (he replied above and is the genius behind Real-English - please use it!) a while back about a person who is a deaf student in Kenya and in need of help to study in America. I wanted to do something but just didn't know how... but now I've been thinking ....

It might be best to set up a donation system and have a fund drive a few times a year. Members could give small amounts and yes always voluntary!!!!! But most importantly, we could be raising money for a person too - anything over our needs would go to Zachary to support his studies. Just a thought but I like that we could do two good things at once.... I never have been comfortable with just the donation aspect for services in education - but also supporting someone's education would be great. Just a thought and want to know what others think...

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