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A NEW way to teach PHRASAL VERBS so that your students understand and remember them

Started by Andromeda Jones in Teaching and Methodology Dec 31, 2018. 0 Replies

Phrasal verbs are a verb + preposition, adverb or particle. Teaching…Continue

Tags: prepositions, teach, verbs, phrasal

ABCs - Alphabet Resources or Ideas?

Started by NEWS NOW in Teaching and Methodology. Last reply by ddeubel Oct 17, 2018. 73 Replies

I guess the alphabet is our bread…Continue

Tags: children, abc, kids, phonics, reading

Stories to inspire and teach. Share yours.

Started by ddeubel in Teaching and Methodology. Last reply by ddeubel Jun 10, 2018. 79 Replies

 I'd like to share in this forum and would like others to share, short stories that might apply to education / teaching and that will inspire. I believe stories and a narrative are powerful, whether…Continue

Tags: hodja, tao, zen, professional_development, storytelling

Favorite Movie about Teaching?

Started by ddeubel in Teaching and Methodology. Last reply by ddeubel Apr 23, 2018. 88 Replies

I'd like to compile a list of movies…Continue

Tags: best, video, film, teaching, movie


I'm not Afraid - Eminem

New release. Motivate your teens as they chant with Eminem! See below if you want the full video but not very languague learning friendly. but this chorus ROCKS! Get the full song. Download the video.
Kalinago's Blog has a nice discussion on the use of "expletives" in teaching/songs. Here's are my own thoughts

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Comment by ddeubel on May 11, 2010 at 4:24pm
Here are the full lyrics and also the original video..... Imnotafraid eminem.kfn Also a cool addition to this lesson activity would be a Find Someone Who Is Afraid of .... Here's one.

Im not afraid eminem.doc

Comment by Ellen Pham on May 11, 2010 at 8:13pm
You must be channeling Chucky... I think Eminem is his secret heart favorite. You know that secret heart favorite from your youth. Maybe yours is Neil Young? Mine is Laura Nyro, Chucky's is Eminem!

But Chucky, he is such an angry white boy! But Mom, you don't understand!

(me) Well, the part about him having his wife in the trunk is kind of funny...

Thanks, David. He'll be at least a little surprised I know about the new album coming out June 22 ; )

Comment by ddeubel on May 12, 2010 at 2:45am

I think this kind of "music" has a primitive sense that can appeal to any age and especially men. Basic tribal instincts and beat.

Not a professional job, made this quickly but thought the chorus was slow enough for the classroom and student learning - especially because they can chant with him.... I like the song but don't get the need for so many expletives. They add little meaning, the only meaning being, I'm an angry man who can't control my mouth.... but that's youth culture!
Comment by Ellen Pham on May 12, 2010 at 4:19am
I think this kind of "music" has a primitive sense that can appeal to any age and especially men. Basic tribal instincts and beat.

I started to reply, I don't know, David, Chucky really insists there is meaning in some of his lyrics, he's not just a misogynistic jerk, but then I went to google the lyrics to a song I remember him talking about (about an abortion, I think) but I couldn't remember the title, and the first song I hit... I just couldn't get past it. It was so crude, and I am the least sensitive 40+ year old I know that way!

Eminem is a personal enigma to me. Give me Tupac, any Tupac song, and I can enjoy and appreciate the experience. Eminem is in my face in a way no other artist (and I think he is an artist) that I've listened to is. He is so angry! And that blocks, for me, what else is there. I believe there is something, I just can't get there.

Oh well, that's what headphones are for!

Rereading Medicine Ball, I can see it, the meaning, but why would I want to go to so painful a place that is not a reality in mine or Chucky's life, and it never will be? At least I hope not.

And the first read... never would have gotten through it if my kid didn't love the musician.

But that's what loving someone who is a youth is for- to keep us stretched and open and receptive (and honest. not painting the world with our old person's brush and saying that's the way it is and should be for everyone.)
Comment by Ellen Pham on May 13, 2010 at 7:27pm
Oh David... Jesus was a radical, nothing middle way about him, and Eminem, no matter how you feel about him personally, can't be classified as a flash in the pan, not in the sense we are talking about. His music is deeply meaningful to many, just as, like I said before, Neil Young or Leonard Cohen might be to you (and Laura Nyro, at one point, was to me. Many people just thought she was a screecher.)

Come on... : ) And you know the real difference between you and Karenne's position? She teaches adults (business English, even, not refugees needing desperately to fit into their new home) and you teach (ok, taught, now teach teachers to teach) children.

If you had her experience, you'd see it like her, and if she had your experience, she'd see it like you- or at least very close to one another's viewpoints.

This is so obvious!

I know. I posted on Karenne's blog which is how I got all those follow-ups. But posting on blogs that I don't have a personal connection with isn't quite my thing : )

Comment by ddeubel on May 14, 2010 at 1:19am

Oh I have to disagree vehemently about Jesus! It is precisely his "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" that makes his message enduring and powerful. Love is never extreme and about "overflowing" - it is about personal change, slow change of a person within their own boots. That is why he used "parable" and never spoke a direct message of "do this or do that". (like Eminem, like all those of anger and "morality". ) The best book on this is definitely The Last Temptation of Christ by Kazantzakis. He makes the same point. Schweitzer's seminal research / book "the Quest of the Historical Jesus" also underlines the point that he "wasn't" antidisestablishmentarian but was labeled such by others. Have you ever read any Malcolm Muggeridge? This man knew what it was about (eventually). His Jesus Rediscovered is marvelous.

My point though is that even with Business English or higher levels - 99% of this is incomprehensible to second language speakers and not exactly a great use of class time (and why I just plucked out the chorus). Swear words or not. And too, it isn't worth it, to use these words. Karenne said that we give meaning to words - she is DEAD wrong and the whole field of sociolinguistics and even teaching is on the other side of this argument. Meaning is constructed with others, through others and is shared. I didn't reply to her with a "you are wrong" because I don't think that would be constructive.

I love Eminem. Always have. I grew up with Public Enemy and Run DMC. Eminem doesn't hold a candle to these innovators. I've also done my share of stand up Dub poetry. On the spot. This stream of consciousness stuff is not as difficult as it appears. What is difficult is to "condense" to stuff meaning into small parts instead of regurgitation, throwing up. But I could go on and on about this kind of "poser" poetry. (I say poser because they all say they are radicals etc... but at the end of the day they all drive flashy cars, they all pop champagne and laugh in the face of the regular Joe. It is all biz and a joke. Eminem too.

But it is an interesting topic... :) Speaking of Run DMC - here is an example of a rap video I WOULD use in class.....

Comment by Ellen Pham on May 14, 2010 at 6:32am
Oh David, I wrote a huge response, and I must have gone over the limit, I lost the best parts!

Oh no, that took forever!!

Oh well. Shoot. Fuck.

Darn it.

I can't even say maybe later.
Comment by Ellen Pham on May 14, 2010 at 8:25am
Took a break, maybe I can shorten this up:

I've always understood the Caesar quote to mean that government, politics, taxes have nothing to do with the kingdom of God- completely irrelevant.

Jesus first admonishes everyone (literally, just about the first thing he says in the New Testament) to sell all our material goods, give the money to the poor, and follow him. David, this is not a gradual change.. it is a radical shift in our consciousness. To boot:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39)

A little scary!

He speaks in parables sometimes, and at others, quite clearly and directly.

Do not judge others. Do not put your trust in money. Do not worry about you bodily/physical needs. Keep your thoughts, all your thoughts, on God. Not your sister, not your mother, not your child- because all of these things are not in your control. You can't change one of the hairs on your head- it's all God.

Anyway, until I get through that first requirement, I can't portend to know much about being a Christian : ). I think historical analysis's are fascinating, but until someone has relinquished all material goods, I personally don't think a complete understanding of Christianity is possible. Just my guess about that, but I'm pretty sure.

From the outside, I find it all real radical! Impressively radical : ))

Well, that tightens up the first part. In the second I talked about language with my GED students... David, I was in love with the language we used with each other. You know, the "and I use that word out of respect for you, Ellen."

How to talk about anything, anything, with a tenderness that transcended language while at the same time was expressed through it.

I don't know. Can't write it again : ) Wasn't really about EFL anyway.

You say, Meaning is constructed with others, through others and is shared.. (Boy, I think my stories really illustrated this point! still letting go of perhaps two hours of writing!)

But I don't think Karenne necessarily contradicts this when she says, "We give meaning to words..."

I read it as her saying each person is responsible for how they interpret the language, for the meaning they derive from it. For example, each person decides how offended they become in response to swear words.

There's truth to that. I must deconstruct my old construct to read some Eminem songs with any degree of comfort. I like doing that- it makes me feel like a better person. A relative of mine wouldn't even want to do that- she would want to stay offended, and miss whatever else was there. She would feel, I think, like she was betraying something important if she let go and let the words in.

It's hard for me to not be judgmental about this.I do have a judgment on it, but you know Jesus has admonished me to not judge others (wink), so I actually feel guilty about having this judgment... but we are each responsible for our own response to the language, yes?`

Ok, I'm done :D I have some really cute Anthony and crew stories left, but like any kind of mostly spiritual experience, it can be hard to communicate. Especially when the force seems to have disappeared for the moment.

I got bored with the Run DMC video, David! I made it about a third through, same same same, and I can't dance to it ; )

Why didn't you grow up with Tupac? Just curious...wrong time? wrong place? I learned all my rap from my kids and students... you know, we were broke

Comment by ddeubel on May 15, 2010 at 3:50am
Wow Ellen, this set you off! I have to rush and teach today (yes, on Sat. and on Teacher's Day!). I'll respond more this evening.

Nothing against Tupac but he is hit or miss to me. Also, not into the "gangster" stuff. In my mind, it is all about image, power, "the life" instead of LIFE. I still buy into the old fashioned arguement that one must look at the man to also know about their art.

Lots to add about Jesus but if you really want my arguement - see Huxley's great book - The Perennial Philosophy. That book has an honored place and always goes where I go. He outlines that most religion is about this world/this time. It is about changing the world now and about power, revolt, upheaval. But those like Buddha, Jesus and many fine poets and wise men realize the temporal nature of life. They've learned something! Life to them is about "timelessness" or "a time after time". Jesus was not about this world, all his message was about the next, another world. But I can't explain this in a few lines. More later. My young learners teachers await and I still have to brush the toast out of my teeth.

Happy teacher's day!

Comment by Ellen Pham on May 15, 2010 at 8:07am
For God's sake, David, he loved his mom!! :D He was a good boy. :) And he respected the ladies in the house, too- he knew they were having a hard time ; )

Seriously, I do like Tupac, in fact, his most angry songs. I can relate somehow to that level of destructiveness. Emotionally, of course.

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